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  1. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    He has already won a ring and has been to 3 NBA finals, all at the age of 25. Being the man in NY, even though they may not win a ton of games, will earn him a big pay day in the future with a ton of new endorsements. Make more money while not living in the shadow of somebody else - sounds like a good deal for a business man, which most of these players are nowadays.
  2. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    It's not like we're rivals. Cleveland and Miami haven't met even once in the playoffs.. ever. There are reports of Boston being interested in Irving, those don't make a lot of sense because the Celtics, unlike Miami, are actual playoff rivals and were the top seed in the east last season. Dan Gilbert hates Riley, but one of the worst things you can do as a owner is let your ego get in the way of what's best for the team. I'm not saying Miami is the best deal they can pull, but we can offer an intriguing package.. But that's another thing, all of these are trade scenarios with Miami are nothing but our own opinions - Riley himself hasn't really shown a ton of interest..
  3. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Can't see the Spurs giving up Murray and Aldridge for Dragic and Frye. Murray is going to be a future piece for them and they are quite high on the young lad. They would either want another young player back, or another individual who is able to contribute right away in the quest for a ring.
  4. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Did someone just say Josh Jackson is better than Winslow? The guy has a questionable jump shot, questionable play-making skills, and needs to put on about 20 pounds if he wants to play the 3 spot full time. He hasn't even played a single NBA game yet. Come on DP, I'm looking at you.
  5. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Out of those 4 teams, Miami provides them the most with what they actually 'need' - perimeter defense, shooting, and all-around players.
  6. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    With or without Irving, Lebron is still going to whip them C's lol. Should be entertaining. That is true, IT is an expiring contract, which should give the Cavaliers all the more reasons to not pull that trade off, because Thomas is more than likely going to command the absolute max, which would leave Cleveland in a bad place, especially given the likely scenario of Lebron bouncing next off-season.
  7. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    I guess the people who said IT is better than Irving can start to take that back. Nonetheless, this trade wouldn't make too much sense for the Celtics. What they really need is a big who can rebound, block shots and score.
  8. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Ohh I didn't know Lebron James played 5 positions and scored 100% of his team's points.. Of course Lebron is the catalyst, but no championship winning takes place against 'the greatest team in NBA history' unless his robin shows up as well. What happened in 2015?. No Irving, no ring. Because he was a 19, 20 and 21 year old. KAT didn't make the playoffs in his first 2 seasons, lets suppose the wolves make it this upcoming year. Are we really going to say that Towns isn't a phenomenal player and instead just give all of the credit to Jimmy for their success? Of course he could. Any team with one of the best to ever do it will make the playoffs. Could Goran go through the same pack of point-guards that Irving went through in the playoffs - IT, Curry, Lowry, Teague, etc etc - without losing the match-up battle? I'd say no. No one is denying Dragic's capabilities. To me he's a borderline top 10 pg in the league, somewhere in the 11-13 range, behind Westbrook Harden Curry CP3 Lillard Wall Irving IT Lowry Conley Bledsoe* Walker* * = same level as. Irving doesn't get enough credit because the team he plays on is built around the strengths of Lebron James, not his.
  9. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    So you're argument as to why Goran is a better player than Kyrie Irving is because over 3 season ago, his team managed to pull off a 48 win season (over 20+ than what they were projected to win). I'll tell you what, if this was 2014, I'd probably agree with you.. but the truth of the matter is that it's not. That season that you are referring to took place well over 3 years ago. 3 freaking years is a long time in the NBA mileage. Wanna know what happened since then? - Kyrie won a ring - Kyrie outplayed the unanimous MVP on his way to winning a ring (including the game winning 3-pointer) - Out of 12 playoff match-ups, Kyrie has only lost the battle to the opposite point guard one whole time (which was to Curry in these past finals) This is 2017. Dragic is heading on 32 while Kyrie is 25 and is just entering the prime years of his career. I find it hilarious how you bring up the best season of Dragic's career to compare to that of Kyrie's. Why not mention the 2012-2013 season, in which the Suns won 25 games? If Dragic is really as good as you are making him out to be, then tell me - why does he only have 2 playoff appearances for his career? Also, why did he get badly outplayed by both Kemba Walker and Kyle Lowry in his most recent playoff run?
  10. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Kyrie was 22 and was playing on a horrible team with no culture. Dragic was in the prime of his career and playing on a franchise which was known to rejuvenate the mindset and elevate the fitness levels of the respective players on its roster - very similar to Miami. You cannot compare the two. Goran won more games than Anthony Davis in 2014 too. Would you really take him over AD when deciding whom to build around, just because he won more games in the prime years of his career?
  11. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Prolly still more productive than the "sign Wade if he gets waived" discussions.
  12. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Ain't talking about Bron' lol.
  13. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Well JFH20, you said it yourself bro - that Kyrie isn't 'that' much better than Dragic. If you really believe that, then this trade should make sense for the Cavaliers, because they would be getting a player who is 'almost' as good as Irving and 2 young players on top of that - who I might add, are excellent complimentary pieces with potential, that are capable of doing damage on both ends of the court.
  14. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    I'd have to agree with the people who are suggesting that the Miami Heat has a good shot at landing Irving. It's probably a slim chance that Cleveland decides to trade him right away, but the Heat sit among the top of heap when it comes to the Cavaliers 'needs'. With Dragic, you're getting a scoring point guard who shoots a high percentage and makes the right basketball play in the half-court. With TJ and JRich, you're getting a ton of versatility at the guard position - something the Cavaliers desperately needed during the finals. Both of them are two way players who can defend, shoot and score. They would bolster the second unit of the Cavaliers - which again, was a weak link this past season. Give me TJ and JRich over Deron Williams and Iman Shumpert any day of the week. It is certainly a compelling scenario, especially when you add in the fact that Lebron has had a hard-on for Miami bred players since his move to the Cavaliers in 2014. His voice matters the most over there in Ohio - they'll probably try everything in their power to keep him happy, especially with the 2018 free agency fast approaching. Why would this move make sense for Miami? Kyrie is a superstar, and by having a duo of Irving and Whiteside you may be able to lure other stars as well. Cap space - we get rid of TJ's contract, lose Dragic's (who makes roughly the same as Kyrie) and wouldn't have to worry about resigning JRich as he becomes a free agent in 2018. We'd have about 15m+ in cap space heading into the next off-season, which could turn into 25m+ before the trade-deadline if need be. That would allow us to go whale hunting once again, with perhaps more success this time around..
  15. 2017 Miami Heat Offseason Thread

    Maybe a 3 team trade will be explored - one that lands Irving to Miami, Carmelo to Cleveland, and assets to NY. Perhaps Kyrie and Shump to Heat, Carmelo and Dragic to Cleveland, TJ and TT to the Knicks.