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Hi everyone! Once again, I'd like to apologize in advance if this has been spoken about already in this thread. I always make sure to let everyone know that i'm not always here, and show up every once in a while. Things should start heating up, so I'll definitely be reading a lot more. This is obviously the best place to find the most intelligent Heat fans that know basketball. Let's get right into it... I was actually hopeful this offseason about our ability to pry BOTH Gordon Hayword and maybe Paul Millsap as free agents...But with the money that these guys are going to have to pass up to come here, i'm more and more pessimistic about being able to sign ANY major player. Which leads me to TANKING!!!!!!! We must land in the top 5 in the lottery...it's literally a must. Why? Well obviously for the talent and 2, because home grown talent is going to be the way to go for the rest of the NBA landscape. If Lonzo Ball becomes who i think he will become, we will never be able to sign him as a FA because of all the money he'd be giving up. Which now leads me to the trades we must do!!!! Here is a super realistic 3 part 3 team tank/trade scenario which involves Dragic and Whiteside that the Heat MUST do. I'm one of the biggest Whiteside supporters btw...but the front of the Jersey and it's future matters most to me...so here we go...keep up lol: Part 1: I WANT THAT BROOKLYN PICK!!!! Being able to land two top 5 picks in this draft will be epic!!!! - Boston is actively looking for a Center (Vucevic)...their leading rebounder is Avery Bradley for God's sake at 6.9rpg...getting a guy like Hassan Whiteside will make Boston an instant championship/ECF contender and one of the best defensive lineups in basketball: Thomas Bradley Crowder Horford Whiteside ... I believe this squad can actually bother the Cavs a bit and will be the best threat in the east to them which Pat Riley would probably like anyways...so here's how the trade looks: Miami trades Hassan Whiteside to a contender Boston Boston trades Amir Johnson $12MM expiring contract, Tyler Zeller $8MM non guaranteed next year, and Brooklyn's #1 pick... Why does Boston do this, the best players in the draft are all PGs and Isaiah Thomas who is already severely underpaid isn't going anywhere on the verge of a scoring title. If Hassan Whiteside was in the draft then Boston would never trade this pick. Hassan Whiteside solidifies that team and because we are rebuilding and are no where close to competing for the east, let's focus on homegrown talent in the most talented Draft pool i can remember. So we land a top 5 pick and free up an additional 23MM next year. Part 2: WE NEED A CENTER!!!!! If there's a sliver of Truth to the rumor that Orlando wants to give us Vucevic and a future 1st for Dragic...ONLY in this 3 team trade we must do this immediately! Dragic is Dragic...he's not going to win us anything and his value couldn't be any higher than it is right now. Since we lost Whiteside and his 23MM per, we can pick up a highly skilled stretch big with good foot work for the low post who is 1 year removed from doing Bosh #s and only 26 years old. Best part about it is he's only making 12MM per over the next 3 years. That add's an additional 5MM per year + in savings by trading Dragic...annnd a future 1st with Orlando "supposedly" offered to us. Miami Trades Goran Dragic to Orlando Orlando trades Nikola Vucevic and a future 1st to Miami Part 3: The 3 team trade is essentially done, we've cleared an additional $28MM in salary, and picked up 2 1st rounders including a top 5 pick this year...what's left to do??? Tank...and Tank hard!!!!!!!!! That would allow us to get an additional top 5 pick. Imagine being able to pair up..... Ball 6'6" and Fultz 6'4" Ball 6'6" and Monk 6'3" Ball 6'6" and Ntikilia 6'5" Ball 6'6" and Tatum 6'8"....(Please no more Josh Jackson talk...I already have a defensive specialist and offensive pessimist lol Justise Winslow and his shooting issues to get over...been there done that) With all that...Miami would add an additional $28MM to their 2017 Cap space that already will include $51MM available when Bosh is off the books...That's roughly $80MM available to spend. Now as i mentioned before, i'm not too confident that we'll be able to steal a Free agent, but just think we have the ability to sign 2 max $30MM players (ie for sh^t's and giggles Blake Griffen and Gordon Hayward) and still have $20MM left to spend on a 3rd guy (Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, George Hill type that Ball can learn from) or 2 really decent role back up pg players. Best case scenario (does not include any Steph Curry / Durant / Chris Paul talk cuz i think it's bs and a waste of time): PG Jrue Holiday / Lonzo Ball / Tyler Johnson SG Markell Fultz or Malik Monk / Wayne Ellington / Josh Richardson SF Gordon Hayword(option1) or Danilo Gallinari(option2) / James Johnson / Justise Winslow PF Blake Griffen(option1) or Paul Millsap(option2) / Ersan Ilyasova / Josh McRoberts ugh!!! (UD to become a man da fk up consultant) C Nikoli Vucevic / Greg Monroe (cheeeeeaaaaap) / Showtime Willie Reed 2nd scenario PG Lonzo Ball / Tyler Johnson / Darren Collison SG Markell Fultz or Malik Monk / Dwayne Wade lol why not / Josh Richardson SF Danilo Gallinari(option 1) Rudy Gay (option 2)/ James Johnson / Justise Winslow PF Paul Millsap(option1) Serge Ibaka meh(option2) / Ersan Ilyasova / Josh McRoberts ugh!!! (UD to become a man da fk up consultant) C Nikoli Vucevic / Showtime Willie Reed / Alex Len Once again sorry for the long *** post! Just making up for time lost. I'd like to hear everyone's take on this. Am I completely crazy and know nothing about basktetball, am I on to something? Do you have an alternative best case realistic scenario for us? I didn't include 2nd round draft picks i'd like us to go after like mighty mouse Marcus Keene and Alec Peters (look em up). Will be back to read comments LATERS!
BornNRaisedCountyOfDade posted a topic in Team TalkWell, I am really liking this team so far. They have a lot of growing to do and will get better as time goes on throughout the season. Chemistry and camaraderie will build up and we will have an ECF contender. Now, I want to discuss the players having a huge impact compared to last year. Also I am including their PIE rating which shows their overall impact on the game(similar to PER which I also included). 1. H. Whiteside(26.1PER) is now a full-time starter from day 1 of the season. His offense has grown some, his rebounding and blocked shots are just as good as ever. I am liking those spin moves around the basket and up to this point he has a PIE rating of 17.3 and a +/- of 2.7 and he has our highest PER rating. He is our most impactful player. His offense has been relied upon at times and is growing, but his defense is what really wins games for us. 2. C. Bosh(23.2PER) is back and seems to have re-focused on rebounding. Could be Whiteside helps him out by having another big guy to bang in there, but even when Whiteside is out of the game, Bosh is going after boards with much more aggressiveness and success. His FG% must improve, but he has been a leader out there and love the emotions he shows on the court. He has a PIE rating of 19.3 and a 4.7 +/- to lead the starters in both. 3. D. Wade(22.8 PER) He is once again our leading scorer up to this point and he looks like he has a nice spring in his step. He came out blazing with 5 straight 20pt games. He can focus on scoring as he does not need to rebound or have as many assists on this team that is much more well rounded. Up to now I like his conditioning and the focus that he has shown to this point. He has a PIE rating of 13.0 and a 1.9 +/- 4. G. Dragic(13.6 PER) although he has disappointed me some, he has maintained a good FG%, one of the best for a G in the league once again and has had some nice stretches in games, but is not consistent enough or impactful enough just yet. He needs to have more asts and be even more aggressive attacking the basket. Nonetheless, he has had a nice impact so far. He has an 8.8 PIE rating, but a decent +/- of 3.3 5. J. Winslow(8.8 PER) This rookie has really impressed me with his maturity. he is not scared or rattled in any situation up to now. He has a nice FG%, he is a good rebounder, a great defender, a decent ball handler, the only thing he needs to improve a lot in is his outside shooting, but even there he has shown he can hit the shots, just not at a consistent rate just yet. He has a PIE of 7.1 and a great 10.1 +/- ratio 6. T. Johnson(18.8 PER) This kid is one of the NBA's best kept secrets right now. Nobody knows who he is other than Heat fans, he looks like he could be your buddy or a guy from the local park. However, he has had a huge impact off the bench for our team. 59% shooting with 55% from behind the 3pt line... crazy numbers for a G. A great boost off our bench so far. a PIE of 12.7 and a 5.0 +/- ratio So there you have it, our 6 best players to start the season. Gerald Green gets an honorable mention, hope he comes back soon. McRoberts is also starting to be a nice bench player with consistency lately. Deng has been OK at times, but not as good as these other guys, he has a negative +/- up to now. We also have Birdman and Stoudemire that could have a big impact later on, thus far we have not used them much.
By Dylan Barmmer There are examples of immediate impact. There are improbable and inspiring stories. And then there is Hassan Whiteside. What the HEAT’s inspired and inspiring new center is doing in his first NBA action since the 2011-12 season has been all of this and more – and the amazing accomplishments just continue to unfold with each game. In fact, in just two-and-a-half months in a HEAT uniform, the 25-year-old Whiteside has flat-out dominated a handful of games, set a few HEAT franchise records, and even etched his name into the annals of NBA history during a particularly amazing performance – which also happened to be nationally televised on a weekend. On one hand, it’s not too hard to see how this could happen. Standing at a full seven feet with incredibly long arms and an athletic and agile 265-pound frame, Whiteside’s presence alone is guaranteed to intimidate and frustrate the opposition. But in the curious case of Hassan Whiteside, that rare and powerful presence exists hand-in-hand, step-by-step, shot-by-shot, rebound-by-rebound and block-by-block with production. In fact, the production is one of the main themes of this story. And it’s a story that continues to amaze at nearly each and every turn. Consider the following plot twists and story developments: Signed after being cut by the Memphis Grizzlies (who he never played a single minute of a single game for) just before Thanksgiving of 2014, Whiteside quietly made his HEAT debut during a 107-86 loss to the Washington Wizards on Dec. 1, 2014. Playing just two minutes of the fourth quarter, Whiteside missed a pair of free throws and grabbed a rebound in those two minutes. Whiteside would make just two brief appearances over the HEAT’s next nine games, but in those seven short minutes, he scored six points, pulled down three rebounds and blocked a shot. A short stint with the HEAT’s NBA Development League affiliate in Sioux Falls, South Dakota followed. Then, on Dec. 19, again against Washington, Whiteside got his first extended look in HEAT coach Erik Spoelstra’s rotation, and the production was again immediate. During 16 minutes of a tough 105-103 loss to the Wizards, Whiteside scored six points, pulled down seven rebounds, snared two steals and blocked a shot. He also collected five personal fouls, however, limiting his further availability in the game. In the HEAT’s nationally televised 101-91 win over the visiting Cleveland Cavaliers on Christmas Day, Whiteside made a brief appearance, grabbing three rebounds and blocking a shot in eight minutes of action. In the HEAT’s next game, a 103-95 loss to the Grizzlies on Dec. 27, Whiteside scored two points and grabbed seven rebounds in 16 minutes against his former team – a performance that sparked his inclusion in the HEAT rotation and began a run of 11 consecutive games with at least 10 minutes of playing time. Whiteside was once again highly productive during that stretch, grabbing at least seven rebounds in eight of those 11 games and scoring at least 10 points seven times. He also blocked three or more shots five times, and recorded 29 total blocks during that strong 11-game run. Whiteside also recorded the first three double-doubles of his suddenly budding NBA career during that 11-game stretch. His 11-point, 10-rebound, five-block performance keyed an 88-84 win over Brooklyn on Jan. 4, and his 23-point, 16-rebound, two-block, two-steal explosion sparked a 104-90 victory over the Clippers in Los Angeles on Jan. 11. He also scored 10 points, grabbed 12 rebounds and blocked three shots during a 104-89 loss at Golden State on Jan. 14. That game also marked Whiteside’s first career NBA start. Whiteside recorded all three of those double-doubles while playing just 29 minutes or less, and two of them came in a reserve role. The massive game off the bench against the Clippers was especially impressive, as his 23 points and 16 rebounds came in just 29 minutes, and both represented career highs for the young big man. Whiteside also became the first HEAT player with at least 20 points and 15 rebounds off the bench since the legendary Alonzo Mourning accomplished that feat – in April of 2001. This stretch of strong play ended only because Whiteside sprained his right ankle early in a 94-86 loss to Oklahoma City on Jan. 20. At the time of the injury, Whiteside had scored 10 points on flawless 5-for-5 shooting, grabbed two rebounds and blocked a shot – all in just 11 minutes of action. Whiteside would sit out the HEAT’s next two games to rest the ankle, but when he returned in a nationally televised game at Chicago on Jan. 25, he made a comeback that was not only impactful, but also historical – for both the HEAT and the entire NBA. Matched against the Bulls’ imposing and towering veteran frontline, Whiteside was brilliant and dominant as soon as he entered that game, and by the time the final buzzer had sounded on a convincing 96-84 HEAT win, he had racked up not just another double-double – but his first career triple-double. Whiteside’s 14 points, 13 rebounds and 12 blocked shots came in under 25 minutes off the bench, and the performance was historical on several levels. The 12 blocks easily surpassed Mourning’s long-standing single-game HEAT record of nine, and he became just the eighth HEAT player to record a triple-double, but the full impact of Whiteside’s dominating performance ran even deeper. Since blocks were first tracked as an official statistic by the NBA in the 1973-74 season, Whiteside became the first player to record a triple-double that included 10 or more blocks while playing 25 minutes or less. He also became just the third player in the NBA’s shot-clock era to record any kind of triple-double in 25 minutes or less – with Thunder star Russell Westbrook the only player to ever record a triple-double in less playing time. Whiteside also became the first player with at least 12 points, 12 rebounds and 12 blocks in a single game since former Dallas Mavericks center Shawn Bradley did it on April 7, 1998. In the past 25 NBA seasons, the only other players to meet that “Triple-Dozen” standard were former HEAT great Shaquille O’Neal (in 1993-94 with the Orlando Magic), Hakeem Olajuwon, Dikembe Mutombo and Mark Eaton. Whiteside, Bradley and Eaton are the only three players to ever do so while coming off the bench. Additionally, Whiteside became the first player to block 12 or more shots in 25 minutes or less since Manute Bol blocked 13 shots in 20 minutes for Golden State on March 21, 1989. Bol and Bradley also rank as two of the three tallest players in NBA history at 7-foot-7 and 7-foot-6, respectively. That historically dominant outing against the Bulls kicked off a current six-game streak of basketball brilliance for Whiteside, who continues to amaze, excite and inspire HEAT fans, teammates and coaches alike. Whiteside has posted a double-double in all but one of the HEAT’s past six games, finishing with 20 points and nine rebounds (and three blocks) in that one near-miss. He’s scored 16 or more points four times and grabbed at least 16 rebounds in three of those six games. Whiteside is averaging 16.8 points, 15.3 rebounds and 3.83 blocks in 30 minutes per game during his current six-game surge. He’s hit 46-of-75 field goals (61.3 percent) during this run, and turned the ball over just 10 times in 180 minutes. Most recently, Whiteside authored the first 20-20 game of his young NBA career. The 24-point, 20-rebound, three-steal and two-block tour de force came during a tough 102-101 loss at Minnesota on Feb. 4. Whiteside set a new career high and led all HEAT scorers with those 24 points, and did so on near-perfect 12-of-13 shooting – since 1970, that 92.3 percentage was the third highest in a 20-20 game – from the field. He set another HEAT record by opening the game a flawless 11-for-11 before his first miss, while also marking the highest shooting percentage in a road game in HEAT history, with a minimum of 10 attempts. The way Whiteside is rolling right now is truly remarkable, for any player. But to fully appreciate what Whiteside is now doing, however, you have to take a closer look at where and how his professional basketball career began – and the many twists and turns it has taken since. The native of Gastonia, NC attended six different high schools in two different states, concluding his prep career by leading The Patterson School in Lenoir, NC to a 34-2 record and No. 1 national ranking during the 2008-09 high school season. Even so, Whiteside was ranked as just the No. 19 center in the Class of 2009 by Scout.com, and the No. 87 overall recruit by rivalshoops.com. Whiteside joined Patterson School teammate DeAndre Kane at Marshall University for the 2009-10 college season, and wasted no time in establishing himself as a towering force for the Thundering Herd. As a true freshman at Marshall, Whiteside racked up a 14-point, 17-rebound, nine-block game in a 60-53 win over Ohio on Nov. 28, 2009 – then notched the Thundering Herd’s first-ever triple-double with 17 points, 14 rebounds and 11 blocks in a 105-54 rout of Brescia. Whiteside would go on to record two more triple-doubles (both against Central Florida) during his standout freshman season, and proved himself as a truly dominant shot-blocking force. Just 20 years old at the time, Whiteside led the nation with 182 blocked shots during the 2009-10 college season. That total also broke Jerome Jordan’s existing Conference USA single-season record, and set a new mark for Marshall – not just for a single season, but for an entire college career. The 182 blocked shots also established a new NCAA record for a freshman in a single season – topping the previous record of 177 blocks by Shawn Bradley at BYU in 1990-91. In March of 2010, shortly after Marshall coach Donnie Jones left to take the reins at UCF, Whiteside decided to test the waters of the 2010 NBA Draft where the Sacramento Kings selected Whiteside in the second round, tabbing him with the draft’s 33rd overall pick. Whiteside would appear in just two minutes of one game for the Kings during the 2010-11 season, accumulating no stats other than two personal fouls. He played part of that season for the Kings’ NBA Development League team in Reno, NV, and would also see action with the Reno Bighorns the following NBA D-League season. Sacramento gave Whiteside more of an extended look during the 2011-12 NBA season, as he appeared in 18 games off the Kings’ bench. Whiteside averaged 1.6 points, 2.2 rebounds and 0.8 blocks in just 6.1 minutes per game over those 18 games, shooting 44.4 percent from the field. Committed to the development of talented center DeMarcus Cousins, the Kings opted to release Whiteside on Jul. 16, 2012. The two-plus years that followed are a whirlwind of global basketball activity as Whiteside went on to play for three D-League teams (Sioux Falls, Rio Grande Valley and Iowa), two Chinese NBL teams (Sichuan and Jiangsu Tongxi) and two teams in the Lebanese Basketball League (Amchit Club and Al Mouttahed Tripoli) before eventually signing with the Memphis Grizzlies in the closing months of 2014. During Whiteside’s worldwide whirlwind journey, he achieved his most remarkable and sustained success with the Sichuan Blue Whales of China’s NBL. Whiteside decided to head overseas to grow his game after the 2012-13 D-League season, and after a short stint with Amchit Club in Lebanon, he joining the Blue Whales on May 26, 2013. Whiteside dominated the competition in 27 games with the Blue Whales, averaging 25.7 points, 16.6 rebounds, 5.11 blocks and 1.41 steals while shooting 56.4 percent from the floor. The Blue Whales rolled to an undefeated playoff run and a NBL Championship, and Whiteside was named NBL Finals MVP. He also earned NBL Defensive Player of the Year, Center of the Year and All-NBL First Team honors. The rest of 2013 and much of 2014 was split between Lebanon (Al Mouttahed Tripoli) and China (Jiangsu Tongxi), but on Sept. 25, 2014, Whiteside landed the deal with the Grizzlies. His time in Memphis was extremely short-lived, however, as the Grizzlies waived Whiteside less than a month later, on Oct. 22. Whiteside then rejoined the Rio Grande Valley Vipers of the NBA D-League on Oct. 30, only to be traded to the Iowa Energy two days later. Five days after joining the Energy, Whiteside was again re-signed by the Memphis Grizzlies, on Nov. 19. But the Grizzlies again waived Whiteside, this time the very next day, and he rejoined the Energy on Nov. 22. Just two days later, Whiteside signed with another NBA team. On Nov. 24, the well-traveled big man inked a contract with the HEAT. The rest, as they say, is history. For both the HEAT and the shot-blocking and double-double-posting annals of the NBA. It’s a journey that seems almost impossible to follow – or comprehend. And in 2014 alone, this basketball odyssey saw Whiteside suit up for seven different teams in four different leagues in three different countries. Ever since donning a HEAT uniform, Whiteside has been a sheer force to be reckoned with – especially on the defensive end. Whiteside has routinely frustrated and at times flat-out dominated opponents with his rare shot-blocking, shot-altering and rebounding abilities, and his quick, long hands have snared at least one steal in nine different games. Whiteside’s displays of defensive prowess have often showcased an uncanny ability to not only block and alter shots under several circumstances, but a great sense of timing and anticipation combined with elite quickness and closing ability. He blocks shots from all angles and positions, and his amazing length allows him to block several shots at a downward angle and off backboards – often leading to quick run-outs for the HEAT, rather than an out-of-bounds situation that gives the ball back to the opponent. During his historic 12-block game in Chicago, Whiteside recorded seven swats as a help defender, with the other five coming in an on-ball defender role. All 12 of those blocks came within six feet of the basket, and five of them came against crafty, powerful and athletic veteran forward Taj Gibson. During the course of his six-year NBA career, the 6-foot-9 Gibson had never had five of his shots blocked by an opposing team prior to his rude introduction to Whiteside. An accomplished scorer, Gibson finished a close second to the Clippers’ Jamal Crawford for the NBA’s Sixth Man of the Year award last season. In 23 games so far with the HEAT this season, Whiteside has averaged 9.8 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.48 blocks in just 19.2 minutes per game. He’s also shooting a stunning team-high 64.9 percent from the floor. Whiteside has come off the HEAT bench in all but eight of those 23 games, which makes his production even more impressive. Just how the season ends for Whiteside and the HEAT remains to be seen, but what is certain is that the still-evolving, 25-year-old big man will excite, produce and at times completely dominate whenever he steps out on the floor. And when paired with perennial NBA All-Star Chris Bosh or fellow veteran big man Chris Andersen, the HEAT feature an imposing frontline that they have lacked in past seasons. In Hassan Whiteside, the HEAT have truly uncovered a diamond in the rough. And that diamond seems to shine brighter and longer each and every game. It’s a discovery that was several seasons, teams, leagues and countries in the making. It’s an alliance that was officially formed just days before Thanksgiving. And both the HEAT and Hassan Whiteside are thankful for what’s happened in the two-and-a-half months since.