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4 hours ago, Majestic said:

I like this...sounds like Hassan is taking a different mental approach to what is needed from him in this playoff series.

 

 

Like hearing these kind of things out of Hassan.  People act like there's not still time for the dude to get it, but the truth is that he's not even 30 yet.  We'd all like for him to have the mindset of a Joel Anthony - do whatever it takes mentality - but he is who he is.  

Unfortunately I think he's as good as gone this summer, but it's nice to see him maturing.

 

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2 minutes ago, TRIPLEA2TOOTSIES said:

Like hearing these kind of things out of Hassan.  People act like there's not still time for the dude to get it, but the truth is that he's not even 30 yet.  We'd all like for him to have the mindset of a Joel Anthony - do whatever it takes mentality - but he is who he is.  

Unfortunately I think he's as good as gone this summer, but it's nice to see him maturing.

 

If there is a buyer this summer or a decent deal to unload his contract, I believe he'll be departing the team. I'm not even concerned about that though. I've said before, I think he's a known quantity in this league. He has a specific skill set that is very good, so his value is already established. As for this new shift in perception as to his PT during the playoffs, that is what I like. Just get as much out of him as we can for the playoffs, that is goal at this point...nothing more. Now that we've won a game in Philly, we have a decent chance to win the series. If we can do that, it would be interesting to see what could happen in a round two matchup with either Boston or Milwaukee. First things first, of course, and part of what we need in this round one series is for Hassan to contribute so we have the best chance to hold home court. If we do that, we win the series.

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3 hours ago, Majestic said:

 

Winslow is developing a nice edginess to his personality...I like it.

DWade gonna turn him into tough bad a-s-s defender and make him a strong cutter to the rim too.

Consistent outside shooting is going to take more time...I can wait for that to develop fully.

 

I still got him on the extended Jimmy Butler development plan. I don't think he'll ever be as smooth as JB handling the ball, shooting off the dribble or creating for others. But he will be able to hit an open corner 3 and give it to you from mid range. Especially that second part, now that he's back studying under Wade.

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37 minutes ago, 2Hot said:

I still got him on the extended Jimmy Butler development plan. I don't think he'll ever be as smooth as JB handling the ball, shooting off the dribble or creating for others. But he will be able to hit an open corner 3 and give it to you from mid range. Especially that second part, now that he's back studying under Wade.

 

maybe winslow can be a PG, ok his handles are not great (magic didn't have great handles) and winslow doesn't handle pressure well (yet, cause I think he is young)...but his passing is superior and could develop into one of the best passers in the nba...  his BB IQ is growing (slowly but surely)... the way he develops momentum with his body is special

I don't think he should ever concentrate on shooting...he doesn't look like a 20ppg kind of guy...I see his style as a mix of green, rondo, ron harper, magic with some bowen also...but raw

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5 minutes ago, al bonDyga said:

his BB IQ is growing (slowly but surely).

 

His basketball IQ is already high. It has been from the beginning actually. He gets it. 

Don't know where this idea his IQ is low somehow.

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Just now, Majestic said:

 

His basketball IQ is already high. It has been from the beginning actually. He gets it. 

Don't know where this idea his IQ is low somehow.

 

I know his BB iQ is pretty high already... but he still has a sort of identity crisis to me... you can see this in his lackadaisical play sometimes  ...which affects his quick decision making and killer instinct... high level BB IQ

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10 minutes ago, al bonDyga said:

I know his BB iQ is pretty high already... but he still has a sort of identity crisis to me... you can see this in his lackadaisical play sometimes  ...which affects his quick decision making and killer instinct... high level BB IQ

 

Winslow lackadaisical? When did that happen?

And what Identity "crisis" does he have? I don't think not having a consistent knock down jump shot is an identity crisis. lol

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38 minutes ago, Majestic said:

 

Winslow lackadaisical? When did that happen?

And what Identity "crisis" does he have? I don't think not having a consistent knock down jump shot is an identity crisis. lol

 

his id crisis has to do with the fact that he is a hybrid... can play 4 positions because of his bb iq and ability... but his size and strength throw him off ... he is also very fast sometimes and can jump... what I mean is that maybe if you limit him... he will develop faster

he is lackadaisical to me because he still might see himself as a teen who needs a father figure 

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10 minutes ago, al bonDyga said:

he is lackadaisical to me because he still might see himself as a teen who needs a father figure 

 

Every time I listen to him speak I do not get that impression at all. On the contrary, he sounds like a young man that is very confident with his intellect. 

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Just now, Majestic said:

 

Every time I listen to him speak I do not get that impression at all. On the contrary, he sounds like a young man that is very confident with his intellect. 

 

he sounds confident... but lets not sugar coat it... if he developed a more stable confidence and killer instinct, he could have the off. prowess of simmons (they are very similar to me)

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17 minutes ago, al bonDyga said:

 

he sounds confident... but lets not sugar coat it... if he developed a more stable confidence and killer instinct, he could have the off. prowess of simmons (they are very similar to me)

 

lol stop it...

winslow doesnt have close to the skilllset simmons has. he struggles finishing, his handles are mediocre and slopppy at times even which leads to turnovers, the only thing compareble between the two would be the non existant jump shot. Only thing of value winslow brings is the lockdown Defense but offensively, he is long ways from where he needs to be for the heat. Didnt watch the entire first half, but from what i saw game 2 his drive and quick was a complete mess. Simmons also has length, at 6 10 he fingerroll everything n can finish alot easier, where winslow has to bank everything off the glass often. No amount confidence will change that. Winslow is a defensive specialist, and heat will try and mold into something but we are far far from it. 

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Just now, JustiseForHeat20 said:

 

lol stop it...

winslow doesnt have close to the skilllset simmons has. he struggles finishing, his handles are mediocre and slopppy at times even which leads to turnovers, the only thing compareble between the two would be the non existant jump shot. Only thing of value winslow brings is the lockdown Defense but offensively, he is long ways from where he needs to be for the heat. Didnt watch the entire first half, but from what i saw game 2 his drive and quick was a complete mess. Simmons also has length, at 6 10 he fingerroll everything n can finish alot easier, where winslow has to bank everything off the glass often. No amount confidence will change that. Winslow is a defensive specialist, and heat will try and mold into something but we are far far from it. 

 

wade doesn't have to bank everything and is shorter than winslow... I'm telling you, if winslow gets a bunch of confidence suddenly (specially when he finishes), he could become unstoppable as he penetrates

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3 hours ago, al bonDyga said:

 

wade doesn't have to bank everything and is shorter than winslow... I'm telling you, if winslow gets a bunch of confidence suddenly (specially when he finishes), he could become unstoppable as he penetrates

 

hey i hope  so, but i just dont see it. Wade from the onset everything has come natural to him... not the case with winslow. 

as long as hes shutting down simmons though i think were happy to have him. his offensive will come with due time. hopefully lol

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21 hours ago, carnageta said:

I am not fully convinced that the return of Joel Embiid helps us as much as everyone is suggesting - other than the fact that he might be rusty in his first game back. 

 

I'm all for seeing a motivated Hassan, but we have seen time and time again that the regular season and postseason are two different animals. Star players rise and play at a level above everybody else during this time of the year. Even though Whitey had success a few weeks ago against Embiid, I don't believe he can replicate it for the remainder of the series - he just is not consistent enough.

 

We're getting killed on the boards by Ersan Illyasova - he is playing like a double double machine. With a few proper adjustments I thoroughly believe we can limit him greatly. However, I cannot say the same about Joel. Remember, he is a star, and he is going to get a star whistle. Illyasova on the other hand is just a role player, so I would much rather take my chances with him as the opposing 5 than a top 2 center in the league.

 

Whiteside does not have the ability to 'lock' somebody up . This belief that Embiid is going to be held to pedestrian numbers is crazy, imo. Maybe his first game back that will be the case, but once he finds his rhythm it is going to be like trying to slow down any other star player in this league - all you can do is play good defense and hope for the best.

 

I think I'm in the minority with this opinion, along with @Wadeflash06. I do understand where everybody is coming from though - that we have the personnel to slow him down. But this is a star we are talking about. We have great wing defenders to slow down Ben Simmons too, and just look at how he is still scorching us (because that's just what great players do).

 

For our sake, I hope Embiid misses at least one more game (although I believe we can still beat the Sixers with Joel in the line-up).

 

Here's the deal. The return of Embiid may cause two things: one is slower pace for the Sixers, which greatly benefits the Heat, because more often than not the Sixers will have to play halfcourt sets, and that will allow us to use Whiteside more. If Embiid hits three pointers, though, which is not impossible because he can, we're gonna have a matchup problem, LOL. Anyways, again, it will all boil down to effort and schemes and I hope we don't run short of those two major things.

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21 minutes ago, SG-Three said:

 

Here's the deal. The return of Embiid may cause two things: one is slower pace for the Sixers, which greatly benefits the Heat, because more often than not the Sixers will have to play halfcourt sets, and that will allow us to use Whiteside more. 

 

That may be true. However, Embiid being in the line-up does not mean that Simmons can't still run with the basketball.

 

Remember, we made our run last game slowing down the pace and making it a half court contest. With Embiid in the line-up, it gives them another player (a star I might add) that can get buckets when the game slows down. 

 

Illyasova and Saric have been beasting. With Embiid back it means that one of those guys will be at the power-forward position full time, which will make it even tougher for us on the glass.

 

Like I said before, I much rather take my chances with Ersan as the opposing center than a top 20 player. We have a better chance of beating 1 star and a bunch of role players in a 7 game series than 2 stars and a bunch of role players. (This isn't Blake Griffin we are talking about here, Joel is a big difference maker).

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1 minute ago, carnageta said:

 

That may be true. However, Embiid being in the line-up does not mean that Simmons can't still run with the basketball.

 

Remember, we made our run last game slowing down the pace and making it a half court contest. With Embiid in the line-up, it gives them another player (a star I might add) that can get buckets when the game slows down. 

 

Illyasova and Saric have been beasting. With Embiid back it means that one of those guys will be at the power-forward position full time, which will make it even tougher for us on the glass.

 

Like I said before, I much rather take my chances with Ersan as the opposing center than a top 20 player.

 

thats where whiteside has to come in and do his damn job and will be ok. Spo has said, he is all about matchups. So if embid is in the game, im betting my money that HW will be out there to match him.

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4 hours ago, carnageta said:

 

That may be true. However, Embiid being in the line-up does not mean that Simmons can't still run with the basketball.

 

Remember, we made our run last game slowing down the pace and making it a half court contest. With Embiid in the line-up, it gives them another player (a star I might add) that can get buckets when the game slows down. 

 

Illyasova and Saric have been beasting. With Embiid back it means that one of those guys will be at the power-forward position full time, which will make it even tougher for us on the glass.

 

Like I said before, I much rather take my chances with Ersan as the opposing center than a top 20 player. We have a better chance of beating 1 star and a bunch of role players in a 7 game series than 2 stars and a bunch of role players. (This isn't Blake Griffin we are talking about here, Joel is a big difference maker).

 

It's all about the matchups and smarts. Now, I know Embiid and Whitey have got some beef, but one of them's gonna be in foul trouble and I hope it's not Whiteside. But my question now is, is Whiteside fully engaged? Because he's been whining about his minutes, and I'm not sure he gets the reasoning for it. Now going back to the impact on the game. I mean, we can deal with the two point shots from Embiid in the post. Whiteside can go one on one with him for the most part. What that does is that it limits the threes the Sixers take. I'd give them twos than threes.

 

I guess I'm really not that worried about Embiid because we faced them in the regular season and we split the series 2-2 and those were with Embiid, I believe. At this point, all we can do is hope and trust that our guys are up to the challenge. My expectation is that they will hold their own even with the return of Embiid. I mean, I feel better with one big non-shooting PG with three moving shooters and Embiid at the post than one PG with four moving shooters. I just think it's harder to trail those shooters around than to defend a guy at the post. Hassan just has to be smart. Play hard, physical basketball but don't commit flagrants or techs, because the LEAGUE is gonna protect Embiid.

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